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ยง176. Respect for flag

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.


(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

hmm... I have a few car lots around here that should read this.

for respect, maybe a trip to http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html is in order.

Date: 2001-09-23 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrealangel.livejournal.com
i'm glad to see that someone else seems to have a concern or interest in proper flag "etiquette", so to speak.

i know that people mean well, but leaving a flag out past dusk without some sort of artificial light is considered disrespectful.

the post office located across the street from my work never brings in their American flag. did i mention that sfter they lowered it to half-mast last tuesday it was blown on to the top of the building? it continues to lay there.

ugh.

gets . me . so . worked . up

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Date: 2001-09-23 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottobear.livejournal.com
*nods*

me too.. there are procedures for this sort of thing, and government buildings, at least, should get it right.

Date: 2001-09-23 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surrealangel.livejournal.com
i just don't think people realize.
i was never taught these things in school.
if it wasn't for my mother being an army brat, i could be just as ignorant as thousands of others across the country.

by the way, i went to the first phillies game following the tragedy this past monday. every fan was given a small american flag upon entering the stadium. it was somewhat annoying holding on to my flag for 3+ hours. i just refused to let it touch the ground or direspect it in any way. i don't recall noticing any one else that really cared.

Date: 2001-09-23 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-dcl.livejournal.com
Indeed.

And let us not forget....if a flag touches the ground, it should be burned.

I'm getting rather sick of seeing filthy American flags flying off of cars around here....

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Date: 2001-09-23 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottobear.livejournal.com
or disposable paper flags.

oops

Date: 2001-09-23 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-dcl.livejournal.com
Didn't type that right.

If the flag touches the ground or becomes soiled in any way, it should be disposed of in a dignified manner, preferably by burning it privately.

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Re: oops

Date: 2001-09-24 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-dcl.livejournal.com
One would think.

What kind of detergent does one use on the flag?

"Tide of Freedom?"

"Downy Justice?"


yeah, i took the easy ones

Date: 2001-09-23 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anecdotegirl.livejournal.com
There are actually places you can call, like the local Veteran's Administration in some cities, that will explain what is the protocol for properly disposing of a flag and in some cases, they will even come and get it from you and take care of it themselves if you cannot.

On a somewhat unrelated note, why do people say "military brat"? That expression has always bothered me and I don't know why...maybe because it's sounds so obnoxious and disrespectful. Why are military people and their offspring "brats"? I just don't get it. I am not nor were my parents in the military so it's not like I've heard it much but it still gets under my skin in a big bad way. Ok, I'll shut up now.

actually...

Date: 2001-09-24 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottobear.livejournal.com
brat \Brat\ (br[a^]t), n. [OE. bratt coarse garnment, AS. bratt cloak, fr. the Celtic; cf. W. brat clout, rag, Gael. brat cloak, apron, rag, Ir. brat cloak; properly then, a child's bib or clout; hence, a child.]

1. A coarse garment or cloak; also, coarse clothing, in general. [Obs.] --Chaucer.

2. A coarse kind of apron for keeping the clothes clean; a bib. [Prov. Eng. & Scot.] --Wright.

3. A child; an offspring; -- formerly used in a good sense, but now usually in a contemptuous sense. ``This brat is none of mine.'' --Shak. ``A beggar's brat.'' --Swift.

O Israel! O household of the Lord! O Abraham's brats! O brood of blessed seed! --Gascoigne.

4. The young of an animal. [Obs.] --L'Estrange.


According to my handy-dandy oxfords...the military meaning doesn't needfully imply a badly behaved child. it's one of those worde that has change with society, as time has passed... sort of like what happened to the word gay. once meaning happy, folks now use it as an insult, too.

Date: 2001-09-23 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filleinvisible.livejournal.com
Ralph Lauren also. He uses the flag as his logo for crying out loud. I happen to have a pair of RL jeans with a big old flag on the back where the logo patch goes. Of course, no one obeys this, because I see all kinds of shit with the flag on it.

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Date: 2001-09-24 06:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottobear.livejournal.com
yup... one of those long lost things... I figure most people don't even realise how disrespectful they're being!

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Date: 2001-09-24 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filleinvisible.livejournal.com
The American flag has just become one more thing to sell. Same with the Union Jack. I have two shirts that sport the Queen's flag (not out of any flagrant disrespect on my part - I promise!!)

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Date: 2001-09-24 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottobear.livejournal.com
different country, different set of rules!

but you're right.

I have shirts with the scottish crest, flag of germany, and austria's crest pre1913.

Date: 2001-09-23 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burgundy.livejournal.com
The whole controversy over flag burning always confused me. Is burning a flag in protest disrespectful? Hostile? Yes indeed. It's meant to be. But at least the people doing so are doing it intentionally - they are acting upon the flag as a symbol.

The people who use it in advertising, on clothes, napkins, food, etc - that, to me, is the real disrespect. Because it turns the symbol into a commodity. Molly Ivins once commented on this, when the first President Bush was all in a tizzy over flag burning - and then ate a cake iced to look like the flag. Think about where that ended up. That is a real desecration.

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Date: 2001-09-24 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottobear.livejournal.com
I agree. the way around it is to do it in abstract fashion...red white & blue stripes, or some other design with flag elements.

if bush ate a cake designed to look like the flag, he was most certainly in violation of the respect code, just as much as a flag burner.

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